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"I believe in an America
where the separation of
church and state is absolute."

John F. Kennedy

 

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CHURCH AND STATE
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“When fascism comes to America

it will be wrapped in the flag

and carrying a cross.”
Sinclair Lewis

 

 

Love Thy Neighbor

I'm Really Tired of Hatred

Crystal Cheatham: Lord Have Mercy

What Radicalized You?

Bishop Lectures Trump

 

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Tuesday November 3

 

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"People should never be
the collateral damage of
your theology."
Sarah Bessey

 

Love My Neighbor

Is America a Christian Nation?

Which Christianity?

Conservative Talk Show Host

Jesus Challenging Religion

 

 

Christian Nationalist Evangelicals

Is America a Christian Nation?

Televangelists Hall of Shame

Warning to Christian Nationalists

Message to Christian Trumpers

 

"Some people are so

heavenly minded that

they are of no earthly good."
Oliver Wendell Holmes



 

NATIONAL CRISIS

SOCIAL JUSTICE

SHARED HUMANITY
CHURCH AND STATE
PATRIOTIC LESSONS

POPULAR CULTURE

 

What Would Jesus Do

Good Girl Gets Radicalized

What is Religious Liberty?

Is America a Christian Nation?

Religious Right Gets It Wrong

 

 

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Reasonable Doubt

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Progressive Christianity

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Human Rights Campaign

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"When injustice becomes

the law, resistance

becomes a duty."
Thomas Jefferson

 

"I believe in social dislocation

and creative trouble. We need,

in every community, a group of

angelic troublemakers."
Bayard Rustin

 

"When we see something

that is not right, not fair, not just...

we have a moral obligation to

say something, do something,

get in trouble, good trouble,

necessary trouble."
John Lewis

 

 


GOOD TROUBLE

Social Justice Troublemaker

CHURCH AND STATE

 

NATIONAL CRISIS | SOCIAL JUSTICE | SHARED HUMANITY

CHURCH AND STATE | PATRIOTIC LESSONS | POPULAR CULTURE

 

"Religious freedom ends when it becomes an excuse to harm other people."

-Pete Buttigieg

 

Separation of Church and State

Free to worship... or not

 

It has become tiresome to hear critics who keep insisting that the words "separation of church and state" do not appear in the Constitution. None the less, even without the actual words, it is clear that our founders intended to establish a secular state in order to protect religious liberty and grant the freedom of all Americans to worship freely and in their own way.

 

 

Ten Commandments Bill: Exchange Between Rep Talarico and Rep Noble
James Talarico: Separation of Church and State
James Talarico: What Would Jesus Do

Brandan Robertson: Using Religion for Hate

What is Religious Liberty?

 

Constitutional Foundation

--Constitution 1st Amendment | Establishment Clause: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion
--Constitution 1st Amendment | Free Exercise Clause: No prohibition of free exercise of religion
--Constitution Article 6 | Religious Test Clause: No religious test shall ever be required

 

Founders' Comments

--Thomas Jefferson: Wall of separation between church and state

--James Madison: Civil government functions successfully by total separation of church from state
--John Adams | Article 11 Treaty of Tripoli: US Government not founded on the Christian religion

--Roger Williams: Wall or hedge of separation between the garden of the church and the wilderness of the world

 

James Talarico Responds to Bill to Post 10 Commandments in Classroom (1)
James Talarico Responds to Bill to Post 10 Commandments in Classroom (2)
Talaricio vs Boebert: Separation of Church and State

Trump-Era Laughter at Immigrant Suffering Is Deforming Our Souls
Message to Christian Trumpers

Christopher Macken: Evangelicals

 

 

Constitutional Intent

What Our Founders Had in Mind...

 

“Every new and successful example therefore of a perfect separation between ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance. And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together."
-James Madison

“I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute.”
-John F. Kennedy

 

“We establish no religion in this country. Church and state are, and must remain, separate.”
-Ronald Reagan

 

 

“I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.”
-Thomas Jefferson

 

"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries."

-James Madison
 

“The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."
-John Adams

 

James Talarico: Christian Nationalists Twist Religion

The Sin of Denying Someone's Joy

Right-Wing Extremists Threaten LGBTQ-Affirming Religious Communities

PBS Interview: Religion and Sexuality

Brandan Robertson: Breaking Bread, Not Building Walls

Where is the People’s Right to Freedom From Religion?
Brandi Carlile - Church & State (Live on SNL)
 

 

"Some people are so heavenly minded that they are of no earthly good."
-Oliver Wendell Holmes

 

"It is a broken Christianity that desperately looks for Jesus in the clouds but refuses to recognize him in the faces of the poor, the sick, the homeless, the immigrant, the refugee, the starving, the marginalized, and the oppressed."
-Rev Benjamin Creamer

 

"It's funny, isn't it? You can preach about a judgmental, vengeful, angry god, and nobody will mind. But, if you start preaching about a god that is too accepting, too loving, too forgiving, too merciful, too kind, then you're in trouble."
-Bishop Gene Robinson

 

Questioning Church Culture
Had I become a better human being... or not?

 

For a long time, I thought the problem was that I had believed the wrong things.
 

I had spent years inside evangelical Christianity learning how to get the answers right. I knew the theology, defended the doctrines, preached the sermons, built the programs, and helped grow the church. By every measure that mattered in that world, I was successful. Very successful.
 

I was a megachurch pastor at the largest church in North America. I appeared on TBN and at the Crystal Cathedral. I spoke at church-growth conferences. I knew the green rooms, backstage conversations, packed auditoriums, and the peculiar intoxication of standing beneath bright lights while thousands of people looked toward you as though you knew something important about God and life.
In Christian celebrity culture, I had arrived.


What took me years to understand was that my deepest problem was not simply what I believed. It was what those beliefs, and the religious system built around them, were teaching me to value. I believed in what I was doing. I wasn't knowingly deceiving anyone. I preached evangelical Christianity because I thought it was true. I defended it, systematized it, and organized my life around it.
 

 

West Wing: Confronting the Conservative Talk Show Host

Priest Confronts Trump

Trump-Era Laughter at Immigrant Suffering Is Deforming Our Souls
Love Thy Neighbor

Is America a Christian Nation?

Rev Dr Howard-John Wesley: Which Christianity?

 

But eventually a question began haunting me that theology could not answer for me: Was any of this actually making us more human? Not more Christian. Not more committed. Not more knowledgeable about the Bible. Not more involved in church. More human.


Were we becoming more loving, honest, compassionate, psychologically whole, capable of uncertainty, comfortable in our own skin, present to one another, and able to inhabit reality as it actually is?
I couldn't avoid the answer forever.


Eventually I walked away from ministry, and later from Christianity itself. When I did, much of the world I had built disappeared with it. Identity. Status. Community. Purpose. Certainty. I had to discover who I was when there was no pulpit, title, theological system, or religious institution telling me. Only with distance could I begin to see what I had been unable to see from inside.

 

 

Christian Nationalists

Far Right Christian Nationalist Theocracy

Warning to Christian Nationalists

Ana Kasparian: I Don't Care About Your Religion

Where is the People’s Right to Freedom From Religion?
Real Christianity


Here’s where I went wrong. Over and over again...
--I put church over community.
--Orthodoxy over love.
--Christianity over Jesus.
--Certainty over curiosity.
--Teaching over conversation.
--Polished over real.
--Explanations over empathy.
--Answers over questions.
--Membership over friendship.
--Prayer over action.
--Dogma over inner truth.
--Services over self-care.
--Style over substance.
--Appearance over authenticity.
--Theology over psychology.
--Religiosity over spirituality.
--Numbers over faces.
--Holiness over humanity.
--Accountability over acceptance.
--Evangelism over solidarity.
--Discipleship over therapy.
--Heaven over earth.
--Meetings over relationships.
--Reputation over risk.
--Patriarchy over equality.
--Faith over critical thinking.
--Charisma over integrity.
--Superiority over humility.
--Charisma over compassion.
--The afterlife over this life.

 

 

Religious Right Gets It Wrong

Pat Robertson's Lies About the LGBTQ Community Helped Shape Today's Republican Party
John Pavlovitz: The Sin of Homophobic and Transphobic Christians

Cody Deese: Discernment and Accountability

What is Sharia Law?

Trump-Era Laughter at Immigrant Suffering Is Deforming Our Souls

I don't write that list as an indictment from someone who stood outside Christianity pointing at everything wrong with it. I helped create what I am criticizing. In the corner of Christendom I inhabited, success could be measured with a calculator. Growth became evidence of God's blessing. Bigger crowds meant greater impact. Novelty and charisma fueled the machine, and when your livelihood, identity, reputation, and sense of divine calling were all entangled with keeping that machine running, it became remarkably difficult to ask whether the machine itself was taking you somewhere worth going.


Participation in church programs became synonymous with following Jesus. Theologians outranked therapists. Clergy outranked ordinary human wisdom. Correct beliefs could matter more than healed people.
I made God into a multiple-choice test and congratulated myself for having the right answers.

 

Meanwhile, the pews were filled with people carrying anxiety, depression, loneliness, grief, shame, fractured relationships, buried trauma, and questions they were sometimes afraid to ask. We could give people sophisticated explanations of salvation while knowing remarkably little about what it meant to inhabit a human life.

 

 

Jesus is a DEI Specialist

James Talarico: Religious Diversity

Gay Priest’s Emotional Sermon Receives Standing Ovation

Religious Caller vs James O'Brien on Homosexuality and the Bible
Progressive Christian Ideas


I was one of those people. That may be the hardest part for me to admit. I couldn't see what was happening because the system gave spiritual names to the very things that prevented me from seeing it. I wasn't disconnected from myself; I was "dying to self." I wasn't avoiding difficult questions; I was "standing firm in the faith." I wasn't sacrificing my humanity to an institution; I was "committed to the mission." The language made everything coherent. Until it didn't.


Leaving that world did not instantly make me wiser. Walking away from Christianity did not automatically undo what Christianity had formed in me. Some beliefs disappeared quickly. Other habits of mind, identity, authority, certainty, and self-distrust took years to recognize. And some I am probably still discovering.

 

 

Brandan Robertson: Using Religion for Hate

Christians Must Stop Disguising LGBTQ Exclusion as Religious Freedom

Moments That Proved Religion Can Be a Force for Good

Incompatible with the Gospel: Religious Leaders Condemn DeSantis' Immigration Stance

Rev Dr Howard-John Wesley: Which Christianity?


I no longer think the most important question about a religion, philosophy, spiritual path, or worldview is whether it can explain everything. I want to know what kind of human being it helps us become. Does it deepen our humanity or require us to distrust it? Does it enlarge our capacity for love or narrow the circle of people worthy of it? Does it help us face reality or provide increasingly elaborate ways of escaping it? Does it cultivate curiosity, humility, courage, compassion, and self-trust, or make those things dangerous whenever they threaten the system?


Those questions matter more to me now than the answers I once defended from a stage. I spent years believing that spiritual maturity meant becoming increasingly certain about God. These days, I think it may have much more to do with becoming increasingly capable of being human. And if something requires me to abandon my humanity in order to call myself faithful, I have learned to question the thing demanding the sacrifice.
 

[Source: Jim Palmer]
 


Donald Trump and Religion
Mixing Christianity into Politics

 

President Donald Trump closely links his political movement with conservative Christian values and pushes to increase religious expression in the US government.

 

Trump's personal faith, however, seems questionable. His religious practice is minimal. He rarely attends church services. His knowledge of religious dogma and biblical content is extremely dim. it appears his interest in religion (specifically, Christianity) is as a tool of manipulation.

 

Trump established the White House Faith Office in 2025. He created this office to support faith-based groups. He appointed Paula White-Cain, his longtime spiritual adviser, to lead it.

 

Trump set up the Religious Liberty Commission in 2025. The group delivered a major report in 2026. The report recommends letting houses of worship make political endorsements (repealing the Johnson Amendment), allowing more prayer in schools, and putting religious freedom at the center of health policies.

 

Trump often uses religious words to ask for campaign money. In 2026, a fundraising message told supporters that giving money to his campaign is like planting a "seed of faith" for America's future.

 

 

Trump Administration Laying Groundwork for Broader Expansion of Role of Religion in American Public Life
Supreme Court Is Dismantling Separation of Church and State
Trump: Report from Religious Liberty Commission

More Than Half of Republicans Support Christian Nationalism

Trump: Religion is Back

 

Criticisms and Concerns

 

The separation of church and state means the government cannot set up an official religion, favor one faith over another, or stop people from practicing their beliefs.

 

Many legal experts and faith leaders worry these actions break down the separation of church and state (the rule that keeps the government from supporting or favoring a specific religion).

 

Critics argue that these policies favor conservative Christian beliefs over other groups and push the country toward Christian nationalism (the idea that the U. should be defined specifically by Christian heritage and identity).
 

John Pavlovitz: The Sin of Homophobic and Transphobic Christians

Brandan Robertson: Grace Over Guns

Courageous Bishop Confronts Trump

Religious Trauma Still Haunts Millions of LGBTQ Americans

CNN: Why Evangelicals Should Care About Trump's Lies (And Other Sins)

 


“The first and most immediate purpose of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment rests on the belief that a union of government and religion tends to destroy government and degrade religion.”
-Justice Hugo Black

“Of course, the United States was not originally intended to be a Christian nation. Jefferson, Washington, Franklin and most of the founding fathers were skeptics or Deists. They specifically intended a secular government with an unbreachable wall between church and state. They even wrote into the treaty with Tripoli a clear statement that, unlike European countries, the United States is not, in any sense, a Christian nation.”
-Robert A. Wilson

“Religious factions will go on imposing their will on others unless decent people connected to them recognize that religion has no place in public policy.”
-Barry Goldwater (Republican Senator)

 

Brandi Carlile - Church & State (Live on SNL)

Religious Conservative Spouts Un-Constitutional Notions

PBS: America's Religious Foundation

Bishop Allen: Inspirational Message

Critique of Religious Right

Biggest Bully of LGBTQ People: Organized Religion

Methodist Sermon Compares Bible to Aesop’s Fables: Draws Criticism, Reflects Changing Views

 

Methodist Minister Compares Bible to Aesop's Fables

Were the Old Testament Stories Meant to be Taken Literally?

 

A sermon preached in August 2026 at First United Methodist Church of Birmingham drew attention from a national evangelical watchdog group for comparing the Bible to Aesop’s Fables. “I like to think of them as the stories that I grew up on, Aesop’s fables,” said the Rev Katie Gilbert, executive pastor of First United Methodist Church. The watchdog group Protestia, called the sermon “demonic.”

 

Gilbert's remarks were part of a message addressing non-traditional views of biblical authority. “That means taking a more careful look at how we read and interpret our scripture,” Gilbert said.

“So, let me clarify that we do, in fact, believe that there is much to be learned and studied and valued in the Bible,” Gilbert said. “We aren’t trying to throw it out the window and start from nothing. However, we do believe that we should acknowledge that our sacred text calls us to read with care, with love, and with grace.”

 


Gilbert, who graduated from Baylor University with a degree in religion and earned a master of divinity degree from Emory University’s Candler School of Theology, said she grew up and was licensed to preach in a Cooperative Baptist Fellowship church in Texas, raised by parents who were both seminary-educated.

“Because of that, I didn’t grow up in a household or in churches that took the Bible literally,” she said. “I’ve never had to struggle with the belief that these words came directly and literally from God, or that they were an accurate, literal accounting of our history,” Gilbert said. Gilbert’s sermon reflects a continuing shift in how Americans see the Bible.

 

Methodist Sermon Compares Bible to Aesop’s Fables: Draws Criticism, Reflects Changing Views

Far Right Christian Nationalist Theocracy

Warning to Christian Nationalists

Ana Kasparian: I Don't Care About Your Religion

Where is the People’s Right to Freedom From Religion?

 

One of the positive responses...

 

I wholeheartedly support this minister. She is making a very valid point. First of all, it helpful from an historical perspective, to remember that Aesop's Fables and the Old Testament were written at about the same time. Second, just as Aesop was able to tell profound stories and lessons by using a a metaphorical format, so too does the Old Testament. Jesus' parables certainly used a lot of metaphor in the New Testament. Third, perhaps there is more symbolism and metaphor in the bible that we thought. And there may be many good stories in the Old Testament that aren't as literal as we might have thought. That doesn't make them less true.
 


Polling American attitudes about the Bible...


In a 2022 Gallup Poll, a record-low 20% of Americans now say the Bible is the literal word of God, down from 24% the last time the question was asked in 2017.  Many Americans now say the Bible is a collection of “fables, legends, history and moral precepts recorded by man.”  That Gallup poll marked the first time significantly more Americans have viewed the Bible as not divinely inspired than as the literal word of God. The largest percentage, 49%, say the Bible is inspired by God, but should not be taken literally.


“The book that we call the Bible is a complicated and fascinating collection of different types of literature, jam-packed with stories and imagery, some of which we might never be able to fully make complete sense of,” Gilbert said.

Gilbert explained that modern science has shown us that many of the Old Testament stories are not historically accurate. The biblical authors weren’t concerned with these kind of accuracies. Those tales weren’t intended to be factual accounts of their world. In fact, many of them are quite the opposite. I like to think of them as the stories that I grew up on, Aesop’s fables. These tales weren’t factual accounts of our world, but they were a part of an ancient oral tradition, some dating all the way back to the Egyptians, and they were passed down over time, eventually written down by the Greeks and the Romans.”
 

Methodist Sermon Compares Bible to Aesop’s Fables: Draws Criticism, Reflects Changing Views

Brandan Robertson: Using Religion for Hate

Christians Must Stop Disguising LGBTQ Exclusion as Religious Freedom

Moments That Proved Religion Can Be a Force for Good

Incompatible with the Gospel: Religious Leaders Condemn DeSantis' Immigration Stance

Rev Dr Howard-John Wesley: Which Christianity?


Truth is not necessarily facts...


“Aesop’s fables were intended to teach a truth or land a moral of the story,” Gilbert said. “You might recall stories like Tortoise and the Hare, slow and steady wins the race; or The Boy Who Cries Wolf, no one will believe a liar even when the time comes for him or her to speak the truth. Or the lion and the mouse that teaches even the weakest can be of help to the strongest. These stories were written to share not facts, but truth, and something similar is at play when we consider the biblical authors.

“We can still see that our Bible is a dynamic and beautiful book. It’s one that has guided people of faith for a very long time, and it can still be held as sacred and influential in our lives, even when we don’t interpret it as literal history. When we quit trying to stuff scripture into a box that fits the world as we know it, we can be more open to experiencing the gift of a collection of stories, from all different authors and contexts and genres, that can truly offer us wisdom and love still today.”
 

 

 

Vicious feedback from closed-minded religious people...


Gilbert said she’s gotten “mean-spirited” criticism, even from outside the United States. “It’s not lost on me that they’ve picked on a woman,” she said. “There’s been a lot of mansplaining, a lot of people trying to tell me I’m wrong, quote scripture at me, tell me I’m going to hell, tell me I’m leading people to hell. The feedback’s not been awesome.”

She got no criticism from the congregation at First United Methodist Church, and the staff has backed her up, she said. “It’s important to me that even if we don’t read the Bible the same way, I don’t want to treat people with a mean spirit or a spirit of hate. It’s super important to me. My entire ministry has been about spreading love.”

 

[Source: Greg Garrison, 2026]
 

Far Right Christian Nationalist Theocracy

Loving All God's Children Equally

Real Christianity

PBS Interview: Religion and Sexuality

Savage Insensitive Church Language

More Than Half of Republicans Support Christian Nationalism

 

 

Protecting Religious Freedom

Sharing the public square...

 

"It is never legitimate to use the words of scripture to promote a loveless agenda."
-Rev Dr Peter Short (Moderator of United Church of Canada)

"If you're against abortion, don't get one. If you're against contraception, don't use any. If you're against same-sex relationships, don't have one. If you're against same-sex marriage, don't marry someone of the same gender. Do not impose your religious beliefs on all Americans."
-Ana Navarro-Cardenas
 

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the Republican party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of god, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."
-Barry Goldwater (Republican Senator)
 

"The Scriptures have been misused to defend bloody crusades and inquisitions; to support slavery, apartheid, and segregation; to sanction the physical and emotional abuse of women and children; to persecute Jews and other non-Christian people of faith; to support the holocaust of Hitler's Third Reich; to oppose medical science; to condemn inter-racial marriage; to execute women as witches; to excuse the violent racism of the Ku Klux Klan; to mobilize militias, white supremacy and neo-nazi movements; and to condone intolerance and discrimination against sexual minorities. "
-Mel White

 

“Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and render unto God the things that are God's.”
-Jesus
 

Perspective on Religion

White Christian Nationalism

The Pathetic Weakness of MAGA Men

Evangelicals Made a Bad Bargain With Trump

Today’s White Christian Nationalists are Looking More and More like Nazis

 

 

Healthy Skepticism

Bold questioning of faith...

 

“It is of greatest importance that humanity should now and again take out its beliefs for spring cleaning.”
-Julian Huxley

“I do not feel obligated to believe that the same god who endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forego their use.”
-Galileo Galilei

“Question with boldness even the existence of a god, because, if there be one, he must surely approve of the homage to reason than to that of blind faith.”
-Thomas Jefferson

“There is more faith in honest doubt than in half the creeds ever written.”
-Alfred Lord Tennyson

“Skeptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which deep thoughts can be winnowed from deep nonsense.”
-Carl Sagan

 



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